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HAS BRITAIN'S JUSTICE SYSTEM GONE TO POT?

Should home owners have to live in fear of yobs?

Wednesday July 9,2008

By Mark Reynolds

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A PENSIONER charged with possessing an offensive weapon for chasing off yobs who were pelting his home with stones last night branded the law “a colossal ass”.

Father-of-two Sydney Davis, 65, took a piece of wood to protect his wife and young children after police failed to turn up as the gang laid siege to his house for more than two hours.

But he was stunned when officers arrived, only to arrest him – allowing the laughing youths to run off.

He has been charged and, if convicted, could face six months in jail.

Last night an astonished Mr Davis – whose windows have been smashed five times in eight months – said: “This is Britain gone mad. Just what in the world is this country coming to that police arrest people like me for protecting their own property?

“The police say they want to reduce crime, yet they let evil little toe-rags like this off. Then they prosecute hard-working, upstanding residents like me. There’s simply no way we can shake off this problem of Yob Britain if the legal system fails to protect the everyday person.

“The law is, quite simply, a colossal ass.”

Mr Davis is backed by neighbours sick of yobbish behaviour. Local councillor Justin Tomlinson said home owners on his estate were having to “live in fear”.

* Do YOU think Britain's justice system has gone to pot?

* Should home owners be FORCED TO LIVE IN FEAR of yobs?

* Does the Government need to GET TOUGH on yobbish behaviour?

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BRITAINS JUSTICE SYSTEM

07.08.08, 9:09pm

has definitely gone to pot. Judges and the like want to live in the real world.

• Posted by: lorna69 • Report Comment

JOURNALISM IS ONLY IRRESPONSABLE WHEN IT COVERS UP THE TRUTH, TO ORDER

07.08.08, 9:43am

Journalism is only irresponsable when it covers up the truth to order and we have been seeing quite a lot of that in recent years.

The statistics for MRSA are false and things are much worse than we are told.

The statitic for violent crime are false and things are much worse than we are told.

The paedophile rings are protected and the media hushes up and tiptoes around sensitive horrors in which they know people at the top are involved.

This, we can all clearly see, if we dare to look at what is happening around us .

Horrors are being covered up under our noses and scapegoats found to protect the guilty.

This , involves irresponsable policing, irresponsable journalism, irresponsable people who look the other way and say nothing and all those who chose to cover-up or brush away what they know is very wrong.

Falsifying figures in statistics is just one example of cover-up, which has become such a British thing, that it is being discussed on talk shows in the USA as the reputation of the British is no longer what it used to be.

Britian has become extremely corrupt in many ways and if we do not wake up to this fact, things cannot change.

• Posted by: Penny • Report Comment

FDM

06.08.08, 6:22pm

Hello again. I realised late last night i had missed your reply in another topic, although i have a feeling we're debating the same point on two fronts so to make life easier i shall keep my reply here?

I have to admit to being a little underhand with this reply as i have let you play out the 'trend' issue over a couple of days. It is exactly the trend that you point out that makes this year's rise so significant. Its up. It doesn't matter whether or not that is on an eight year low, people still notice one thing. You could compare it to the recent credit crunch and its effect on the FTSE- remember the hubbub when it lost 1% of its value?

I appreciate (and understand) where you're coming from in relation to certain sections of the media. However sensationalism sells. It draws in the crowds- and with the high profile cases recently (London's streets are a prime example) it becomes easier to sell news. It is perhaps irresponsible. Along with some of the statements regarding high profile cases such as the **** affair, Robert Murrat (whoopsy) and the original reporting on that nut who was cleared of killing Jill Dando. Perhaps we have ourselves to blame for that as much as anything- i know i'd eat my own excretions before purchasing The Sun (and i'd do far worse before i ever picked up a copy of The Star or The Mirror)

What i would point out to you is this- have you encountered the 'feeiling the difference' survey? Or seen the advertisements on the side of police cars that crime is falling? This all started in 2004 however disappeared for a couple of years (despite it still being highly relevant to force performance) Why? Because the statement was untrue.

Its much like the government's opinion on speed cameras. Have you noticed that they are hailed a success for road safety- but only in the years when deaths on the road have shown reduction? Cycnical isn't the word.

Law enforcement is the easiest job in the world- no really it is. However that has been made much harder by this government's insistance of introducing half-baked and rushed through legislation when all that was required was for them to think things through. Have this government (under Bliar or Brown) ever admitted a mistake? I'd make reference to the sexual offences act that they tried to 'modernise' So far (since its original interference) the act has been modified in 2002, 2003, 2005 and now 2007. It is not the case that the more police you have the more laws you have (quite inverse really, police numbers are falling. Don't be fooled by the inclusion of PCSO numbers in governmental figures) Natural wastage will see a huge amount of the police forces in England and Wales lose significant numbers of officers to retirement in the next twelve months.

I'm delighted that you brought up the 'losing of freedom' Our freedom is being eroded by the day. Be it the freedom of movement, the freedom of thought, the right to enjoy one's property or even the right to live without fear of meddeling from the state. It is sick just how much has been pushed onto the English electorate that is precluded from the criminal's charter that is EHRA 00.

The truth is always stranger than fiction. I also maintain my viewpoint that crime figures are seriously massaged. One only has to look at the criming standards for aggrevated burglary to understand that.

• Posted by: ruhe03 • Report Comment

RUHE

06.08.08, 1:39pm

that is my point though. the trend is down and has been for some time. despite this, tabloids have been arguing the reverse far before these lates stats came out. and even then, despite the police themselves saying the overall trend is down, what do they do? apply a meaningless or contextless figure and blow it all out of proportion.

for (hypothetical) example: 'there have been a staggering 300 deaths by knife crime in 2007, leading to an epidemic of knigfe crime".
--pointless, there could have been 400 the previous year. and of course, this is what was happening all the time.

now of course, it is 'murders up 3% on the previous year"... no mention that the previous year was an all time low. and that the previous 8 years showed significant drops.

it is irresponsible journalism.

now, you seem to drift into the idea of 'how people feel', and yes, many people mistakenly believe that crime is getting worse, even 'out of control'. it is blatantly not. but the problem is, that thanks to tabloid misinformation, people think it is, and call on the government to further restriuct our freedoms and turn this country into a police state.

not good.

and of course, it has been proven time and time again that the more police you hire, and the more laws you make, the more crime there is to be reported. if you are obsessed with crime, you will continually find more of it.

so ultimately, none of this will make anyone feel any better. we will continue to lose our freedoms over nothing.

thus, we are better off dealing with the truth, rather than creating fear, then catering to those fears.

• Posted by: LeFinDuMonde • Report Comment

DON'T BELIEVE THS STATISTICS!

06.08.08, 12:55pm

sorry... meant to type DON'T BELIEVE THE STATISTICS.

• Posted by: Penny • Report Comment

DON'T BELIEVE THE STATIATICS... THEY'RE FIDDLED

06.08.08, 12:54pm

FinDuMonde, surely you do not believe the statistics which are conveniently trumpetted?

There is nothing easier to fiddle than a statistic and they are fiddled to suit the needs .

It's like the MRSA statistics when they say someone has died of pneumonia when the hospital wants to keep the MRSA statistics low when in fact the person has died from MRSA and you have been told so,as they did with my mother.

Statistics can be made to go whichever way suits the puropse, especially in today's corrupt Britian where Cover-up is part of everyday life..

• Posted by: Penny • Report Comment