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HAVE YOUR SAY

DO WE NEED MORE POLICE BACK ON OUR STREETS?

Should more police be put back on the beat?

Saturday July 5,2008

By Tom Whitehead and Nick Fagge

Comment Speech Bubble Have your say(86)

THE people of Britain yesterday demanded more police on the streets as yet another teenager became a victim of knife crime.

The public joined forces with MPs to call for action to get officers away from their desks and back on patrol.

Even youngsters on the streets now agree there are not enough police.

The calls came after 16-year-old Shakilus Townsend bled to death crying for his mother – the 18th victim in London so far this year.

At the same time, three teenagers appeared in court charged with the murder of 16-year-old Ben Kinsella.

Dee Edwards, of Mothers Against Murder and Aggression, said: “How many more children are going to have to die? We need a massive police presence on our streets. And it is not just the adults.

"When we go into schools the 14- to 16-year-olds are saying there should be more police officers.

“The kids are telling us they want more police on the streets. If we feel worried as adults, how must the children feel?”

* Do YOU think we need more police back on our streets?

* Would more officers PATROLLING Britain's streets give us the PROTECTION we need?

*** HAVE YOUR SAY NOW! ***

YES . WE NEED MORE POLICE ON THE STREETS

27.07.08, 6:03am

But what we will be given is Trade Union Police to suit the union leaders because they will say that they are already there. Labour intends that chaos will reign and we will be stupidly glad to have CSO:s (Communist support officers) The fact that cso's are not very bright will be obvious to the unions and it will make controlling them easier. Their mental level will be carefully chosen to facilitate this. Then we can get ready for Stalinist style policing where people will be removed from society for not being left wing extremists. If this sounds crazy the proof will come when it is to late to do anything about it.

If you look very carefully at TV programs a tendency for political control of what we are allowed to watch is becoming very noticeable, the current Big Brother is a very good example. What has happened is that entrants to the house have to include the disabled, ethnic minorities and voting is now done by the big brother staff under instruction from the unions. What there is at the moment is A blind person and an albino whinger who is just a spoilt grown up brat. The other blind person is just there but will not be voted out as his post office union colleague (Mario the Magistrate, health & safety, Tried and tested ex - body builder man) was. Also Mo the Muslim is there to satisfy the politically correct brigade. When the winner is finally decided will they draw straws for it or will a decision on who can the government ignore be made and who will they offend least of all.

I have said before that minority groups will prosper under Labour rule, they include most of the lowest of the low including pedophiles, organised crooks and many others.

• Posted by: albertthedog • Report Comment

DO WE NEED MORE POLICE BACK ON OUR STREETS?

24.07.08, 2:20pm

Yes we do but of the old variety who would not think twice before giving 'our miserable specimens of feral yoof'' a clip round the ear. Of course it will never happen until we get rid of this 'wet-f*rt' government of ours and we leave the EU with all it's politicaly correct baggage.

• Posted by: ricardo • Report Comment

AND FOR YOU CHRIS MY FINAL WORDS

15.07.08, 6:45pm

Your idea was flawed from the start, totally unworkable, you know it (now), I know it, anyone who reads this knows it, so thats that.

If education and re-habilitation worked I would support it, it does for some, but does not for the career criminal. The only thing they understand is draconian punishment.

People are all different, different natures, different personalities, different values, you cannot have a "one rule fits all" solution.

I find your reference to me as tigger and tiggs ??????? somewhat amusing as as smacks of playground name calling, but if thats your thing .... so be it.

As for my blood pressure .... have no fear ... I pride myself on keeping as fit as I can, training at the gym is my main hobby, and my last physical revealed excellent blood pressure.

Sometimes Chris when you know that you are wrong you should accept it, without resorting to name calling.

• Posted by: ELTIGRE • Report Comment

AND THIS JUST IN...

14.07.08, 10:46pm

How about we do away with the burdon of CPS running the police, how about cutting out all the crappy paperwork that centres on the offender's favourite colour? How about the removal of the horrifically complicated, ill-thought out and botched laws Labour has introduced? How about the removal of the PC brigade who value employing peope from 'minorities' rather than those who can do the job? How about the removal of a government that has done more to undermine law and order in the last ten years than any other previous administration? How about slashing the £1bn+ legal aid bill to fund more police officers? How about more prison spaces to cater for the vast increase in foreign national prisoner population? How about moving more poice officers froim bean-counting roles to actual policiing? How about having a press that actually SUPPORTS the police rather than trying to make a quick buck out of the most commonly accept tripe and lies about law enforcement? How about effective sentencing and the removal of Whitehall's ability to dictate terms given by the courts via sentencing guidelines? How about an increase in wages for CPS lawyers so there is a chance to attract wheat rather than chaff?

I could go on but you get the message. There is no consideration for the electorate. Unless that is of course, you happen to be a solicitor working for the defence. Then for you my son, the Earth is yours.

• Posted by: ruhe03 • Report Comment

TIGGER, MY FINAL WORDS.

14.07.08, 10:32pm

Tigger as we are hijacking this thread , i will make these my last words. Years ago there were police houses on estates, i know this because the estate i grew up on had a number of police houses on it, which even to this day still have the stone police crest's above their front door, so the idea isn't a new one, i also remember when they were occupied, the police officer living there was an integral part of the community and all in all things seemed much better in comparison to today.

"So I say again" - given the chance, with the perks previously mentioned some police officers 'if asked' might like the challenge or opportunity to live in funded houses in order to make a real difference to the lives of the "many decent people" who live on troubled estates.

I agree stiff sentences play a part Tiggs, but there has got to be more to it than that, what happens when these people are released again?, the reality is they become well connected with other criminals inside, they learn new criminal skills from other prisoners, they know they have no chance of finding work on release, they cannot earn money, they have no were to live and little or no future ("they deserve it i agree").

Unfortunately the reality is that without any reconditioning, re-educating etc the majority of criminals have nothing to lose and will re-offend on release, the cycle goes on and on.

If "just the stick" is applied the situation will only get worse, without an "effective" rehabilitation system in place these walking "time bombs" will be left to their own devices on release, roaming around the UK looking for easy prey to live off. Without 'effective rehabilitation programmes' you are just storing up trouble for the future.

Anyway Tiggs, i think we will have to agree to disagree but thats life and thats why these
"have your say columns exist", i have enjoyed raising your blood pressure, but no hard feelings i am sure we will fence words again.

Yours for the last time on this subject,

ELChrisgre

• Posted by: Chris_Hickman • Report Comment

OH DEAR - IV'E RATTLED CHRIS'S CAGE

14.07.08, 5:47pm

Listen Chris, you have'nt got it, you never had it and by the tone of your rant you never will.

First, police officers will never be "made" to live on "crime ridden" housing estates, it just wont happen, it cannot be done ..... so that puts paid to your wonderful idea.

Secondly I never ever said that there were no decent people, even of the worst of council estates, of course there are, perhaps even they are the majority, but are cowed by the "vermin"

There you are I've used the word "vermin" again, how would you describe criminals who are destroying our societies, perhaps "dis-advantaged", "mis-understood" maybe ..... I prefer vermin.

However lets look at your words.....

today's thuggish element (vermin)

run down troublesome estates (caused by vermin)

crime ridden housing estates (once again vermin)

The only way to solve the problem is severe and appropriare sentencing, no remission, and jails that are not holiday camps.

You just ain't going to get police officers made to live in your "crime ridden housing estates" and dont forget ..... not ALL residents are committing the crimes.

P.S. Why do I use a "ficticious" name ..... look around the posts on this site mate, YOU are the odd one out.